Comments on: Exactly WHY are Frames bad? http://www.mattheerema.com/archive/exactly-why-are-frames-bad Keeping an eye on the Web, so you don't have to. Fri, 16 May 2008 05:31:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: scrollbar in a frame - BioRUST Forums http://www.mattheerema.com/archive/exactly-why-are-frames-bad#comment-11073 scrollbar in a frame - BioRUST Forums Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:44:01 +0000 http://www.mattheerema.com/?p=149#comment-11073 [...] to answer your question: Remove horizontal scrollbar on frames But you should also read this: Exactly WHY are Frames bad? - Matt Heerema : Web Design __________________ Mama, don't take my Kodachrome [...] […] to answer your question: Remove horizontal scrollbar on frames But you should also read this: Exactly WHY are Frames bad? - Matt Heerema : Web Design ______ Mama, don’t take my Kodachrome […]

]]> By: Jerry Galino http://www.mattheerema.com/archive/exactly-why-are-frames-bad#comment-11045 Jerry Galino Sat, 05 Apr 2008 06:06:16 +0000 http://www.mattheerema.com/?p=149#comment-11045 Good site I "Stumbledupon" it today and gave it a stumble for you.. looking forward to seeing what else you have..later Good site I “Stumbledupon” it today and gave it a stumble for you.. looking forward to seeing what else you have..later

]]> By: vesper8 http://www.mattheerema.com/archive/exactly-why-are-frames-bad#comment-11044 vesper8 Sat, 05 Apr 2008 04:37:40 +0000 http://www.mattheerema.com/?p=149#comment-11044 Hi, for a long time I wondered the same thing about why frames were so bad. Right now I am working as a professional web programmer and I am actually using a frameset in my latest project. The primary reason for a mp3 flash player playing a shoutcast stream to be able to keep playing the stream without interruption as the user browses the content of the site in the main frame. I don't believe there is an alternative solution to this problem and if there's one it must be extremely complicated.. correct me if I'm wrong. Furthermore, I actually enjoy the fact that this forces my users to go back to the homepage and to not let them bookmark inside pages or let crafty people see the contents of my php variables I pass around the page. The only thing that concerns me a little is the difficult SEO but since google seems to be able to index framed pages then it's not so bad. I really only care about google since it's the only search engine I use. Hi, for a long time I wondered the same thing about why frames were so bad. Right now I am working as a professional web programmer and I am actually using a frameset in my latest project. The primary reason for a mp3 flash player playing a shoutcast stream to be able to keep playing the stream without interruption as the user browses the content of the site in the main frame. I don’t believe there is an alternative solution to this problem and if there’s one it must be extremely complicated.. correct me if I’m wrong.

Furthermore, I actually enjoy the fact that this forces my users to go back to the homepage and to not let them bookmark inside pages or let crafty people see the contents of my php variables I pass around the page.

The only thing that concerns me a little is the difficult SEO but since google seems to be able to index framed pages then it’s not so bad. I really only care about google since it’s the only search engine I use.

]]> By: Eric http://www.mattheerema.com/archive/exactly-why-are-frames-bad#comment-10796 Eric Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:55:12 +0000 http://www.mattheerema.com/?p=149#comment-10796 (Please supply keywords): HOW does CSS replace the static nature of a menu frameset? (Please supply keywords): HOW does CSS replace the static nature of a menu frameset?

]]> By: ashok kumar http://www.mattheerema.com/archive/exactly-why-are-frames-bad#comment-10244 ashok kumar Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:20:09 +0000 http://www.mattheerema.com/?p=149#comment-10244 Matt, thanks for such a quick reply. Popups are very annoying and blocked by many users. If a client wants music capability with on/off option, would you use frames, popup, or code in flash? There is still controversy surrounding Google indexing of flash based sites, to my knowledge! Matt, thanks for such a quick reply. Popups are very annoying and blocked by many users. If a client wants music capability with on/off option, would you use frames, popup, or code in flash? There is still controversy surrounding Google indexing of flash based sites, to my knowledge!

]]> By: Matt http://www.mattheerema.com/archive/exactly-why-are-frames-bad#comment-10243 Matt Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:07:42 +0000 http://www.mattheerema.com/?p=149#comment-10243 Ashok, no, you can't. I think this is best served by a popup window. Also, I'd never play music or animation that isn't initiated by the user. Ashok, no, you can’t. I think this is best served by a popup window. Also, I’d never play music or animation that isn’t initiated by the user.

]]> By: ashok kumar http://www.mattheerema.com/archive/exactly-why-are-frames-bad#comment-10242 ashok kumar Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:05:18 +0000 http://www.mattheerema.com/?p=149#comment-10242 If I want to insert an mp3 player which plays background music continuously even while navigating to different pages, how can I achieve this without using frames or a web site coded in flash? Can layout using CSS accomplish this? If I want to insert an mp3 player which plays background music continuously even while navigating to different pages, how can I achieve this without using frames or a web site coded in flash? Can layout using CSS accomplish this?

]]> By: Matt http://www.mattheerema.com/archive/exactly-why-are-frames-bad#comment-4516 Matt Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:49:13 +0000 http://www.mattheerema.com/?p=149#comment-4516 Denny - you can get EXACTLY the same effect using CSS and proper HTML. There is no reason for frames anymore. Denny - you can get EXACTLY the same effect using CSS and proper HTML. There is no reason for frames anymore.

]]> By: Denny Hayes http://www.mattheerema.com/archive/exactly-why-are-frames-bad#comment-4512 Denny Hayes Wed, 17 Jan 2007 08:39:42 +0000 http://www.mattheerema.com/?p=149#comment-4512 Unless someone here has a better way and a way that is as easy to create, then frames are very useful for certain application, as someone mentioned above. I keep reading the comment that "I don't like them, but...." I have seen many sites where they have like a long scollable list say on the left, and the idea is you scroll through an often long list, with a scrollbar, click on the one that you want, and it blows up in the right frame. I did mine that way, with the old Claris Homepage, about 10 years ago, and still haven't seen any way that works as good. I have seen many sites such as matchmaking sites where they attempt to things without frames, and to navugate them clicking back and forth is a nightmare. But then you see frame sites like www.blossoms.com that are so much easier to navigate. Unless someone here has a better way and a way that is as easy to create, then frames are very useful for certain application, as someone mentioned above. I keep reading the comment that “I don’t like them, but….” I have seen many sites where they have like a long scollable list say on the left, and the idea is you scroll through an often long list, with a scrollbar, click on the one that you want, and it blows up in the right frame. I did mine that way, with the old Claris Homepage, about 10 years ago, and still haven’t seen any way that works as good. I have seen many sites such as matchmaking sites where they attempt to things without frames, and to navugate them clicking back and forth is a nightmare. But then you see frame sites like http://www.blossoms.com that are so much easier to navigate.

]]> By: Matt Heerema : Web Design » The Godbit Project http://www.mattheerema.com/archive/exactly-why-are-frames-bad#comment-89 Matt Heerema : Web Design » The Godbit Project Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:11:11 +0000 http://www.mattheerema.com/?p=149#comment-89 [...] So I got on board. Nathan is graciously posting my article on Why Framesets are Bad there, and is allowing me to be a regular contributer. I hope to help Godbit in working towards its mission. Thanks Nathan! [...] […] So I got on board. Nathan is graciously posting my article on Why Framesets are Bad there, and is allowing me to be a regular contributer. I hope to help Godbit in working towards its mission. Thanks Nathan! […]

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